Comments on: dealing with a weak chain of command? (Navy)? http://chaintools.com/blog/dealing-with-a-weak-chain-of-command-navy/ ChainTools.com Tue, 22 May 2012 08:46:47 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.3.2 By: Mrsjvb http://chaintools.com/blog/dealing-with-a-weak-chain-of-command-navy/comment-page-1/#comment-479 Mrsjvb Thu, 03 Sep 2009 16:45:35 +0000 http://chaintools.com/blog/dealing-with-a-weak-chain-of-command-navy/#comment-479 you can look into no cost swapping.. but that would entail finding somebidy the same paygrade and NEC willing to swap out with you.. and if what you are saying is true, doubt you will have much luck. you can try and request early return to sea, but your Command would have to be willing to gap the billet. you can look into no cost swapping.. but that would entail finding somebidy the same paygrade and NEC willing to swap out with you.. and if what you are saying is true, doubt you will have much luck.

you can try and request early return to sea, but your Command would have to be willing to gap the billet.

]]> By: Navy Sailor - GAI http://chaintools.com/blog/dealing-with-a-weak-chain-of-command-navy/comment-page-1/#comment-478 Navy Sailor - GAI Wed, 02 Sep 2009 01:29:50 +0000 http://chaintools.com/blog/dealing-with-a-weak-chain-of-command-navy/#comment-478 OK, here is the reality of things. Duty Swaps do exist on paper, but actually having them happen in real life, slim to none chances. First of all you have to swap with someone that looks just like you on paper. Do you know another MR, E3 and below, as I am guessing you are, stationed with another SEABEE Battalion with the same job as you? You also have to have the same time in rate and time in service as the other person. Then you have to get your chain of command to buy off on the idea as well as the other person's chain of command. Then if it costs anything to swap you two it isn't going to happen. Since SEABEE's aren't stationed everywhere in the Navy you are going to have an almost zero change of this ever happening. You are either stationed in CA or MS right now or you are forward deployed overseas. You already said there are only two MR's where you are at so again you are screwed because you are filling a specific billet. I know you want to do the best for yourself, but the swap isn't going to happen. What you need to do is stop talking to your chain of command about how you want to swap. That will destroy your eval because you are looking like a cry baby and they Navy hates that. Next, most people don't learn their job from anyone but themselves. The Navy is the worst at helping its own. You need to go online and order all of your Navy Courses for MR3, MR2, MR1 & MRC plus your BMR. You need to get the bibs for your next exam and go locate all referenced material on the bibs and start reading A LOT. You will need to learn your job in theory and on paper before you learn it in real life. Then when it comes time for you to re-enlist and transfer you need to make sure you get real orders to a place that has the tools you need to do your job. Go to a carrier where they have two huge machine shops with all the tools. Then you will learn your job hands on. Other than that you might be smart to get close with your command RPPO and an SK or two. Learn what you need to do to order the tools you need to do your job the right way. Other than that, you are just like most junior Sailors in the Navy, you want to do a good job and learn your rate, but you can't. Do what you can with what you have and when you get to your next command in a few years you will be set with all the issues you are hacing now. Endurance is a big part of the first few years in the Navy. Stop standing out like a sore thumb at your command for all negative reasons and start doing something positive before you become the target of your senior people. It will happen if you keep this stuff up. OK, here is the reality of things. Duty Swaps do exist on paper, but actually having them happen in real life, slim to none chances. First of all you have to swap with someone that looks just like you on paper. Do you know another MR, E3 and below, as I am guessing you are, stationed with another SEABEE Battalion with the same job as you? You also have to have the same time in rate and time in service as the other person. Then you have to get your chain of command to buy off on the idea as well as the other person’s chain of command. Then if it costs anything to swap you two it isn’t going to happen. Since SEABEE’s aren’t stationed everywhere in the Navy you are going to have an almost zero change of this ever happening. You are either stationed in CA or MS right now or you are forward deployed overseas. You already said there are only two MR’s where you are at so again you are screwed because you are filling a specific billet. I know you want to do the best for yourself, but the swap isn’t going to happen. What you need to do is stop talking to your chain of command about how you want to swap. That will destroy your eval because you are looking like a cry baby and they Navy hates that. Next, most people don’t learn their job from anyone but themselves. The Navy is the worst at helping its own. You need to go online and order all of your Navy Courses for MR3, MR2, MR1 & MRC plus your BMR. You need to get the bibs for your next exam and go locate all referenced material on the bibs and start reading A LOT. You will need to learn your job in theory and on paper before you learn it in real life. Then when it comes time for you to re-enlist and transfer you need to make sure you get real orders to a place that has the tools you need to do your job. Go to a carrier where they have two huge machine shops with all the tools. Then you will learn your job hands on. Other than that you might be smart to get close with your command RPPO and an SK or two. Learn what you need to do to order the tools you need to do your job the right way. Other than that, you are just like most junior Sailors in the Navy, you want to do a good job and learn your rate, but you can’t. Do what you can with what you have and when you get to your next command in a few years you will be set with all the issues you are hacing now. Endurance is a big part of the first few years in the Navy. Stop standing out like a sore thumb at your command for all negative reasons and start doing something positive before you become the target of your senior people. It will happen if you keep this stuff up.

]]> By: CPT A.B. http://chaintools.com/blog/dealing-with-a-weak-chain-of-command-navy/comment-page-1/#comment-477 CPT A.B. Tue, 01 Sep 2009 21:20:21 +0000 http://chaintools.com/blog/dealing-with-a-weak-chain-of-command-navy/#comment-477 In the Army we have the 4187 - Request for Change of Status form; I don't know it's Navy equivilant. Submit this to your company level unit. Give it about a week for them to process and then check up on it. If no luck, then submit it again. After that move to your Battalion level and give them about 2 weeks to process it. Still no luck, try it again and then move to you Brigade level increasing the processing time by about a week or two. If after all that you still have no resolution or answer as to why you are being denied your request go to your local IG (Inspector General) and file a complaint. They should be able to find an answer as to why. Good luck and be patient. In the Army we have the 4187 – Request for Change of Status form; I don’t know it’s Navy equivilant. Submit this to your company level unit. Give it about a week for them to process and then check up on it. If no luck, then submit it again. After that move to your Battalion level and give them about 2 weeks to process it. Still no luck, try it again and then move to you Brigade level increasing the processing time by about a week or two.

If after all that you still have no resolution or answer as to why you are being denied your request go to your local IG (Inspector General) and file a complaint. They should be able to find an answer as to why.

Good luck and be patient.

]]> By: Barry auh2o http://chaintools.com/blog/dealing-with-a-weak-chain-of-command-navy/comment-page-1/#comment-476 Barry auh2o Sat, 29 Aug 2009 19:08:53 +0000 http://chaintools.com/blog/dealing-with-a-weak-chain-of-command-navy/#comment-476 The chain of command may be weak, bu tit's the only chain of command you have. The chain of command may be weak, bu tit’s the only chain of command you have.

]]> By: Mike W http://chaintools.com/blog/dealing-with-a-weak-chain-of-command-navy/comment-page-1/#comment-475 Mike W Thu, 27 Aug 2009 14:49:52 +0000 http://chaintools.com/blog/dealing-with-a-weak-chain-of-command-navy/#comment-475 Have you talked to your Command Career Counselor? When I did a duty swap, he was the one that got the paper work started. Also in order to do a duty swap, if that's what you really want, you'd have to find someone who is willing to swap with you, it's been my experience that they won't look for one for you. Have you talked to your Command Career Counselor? When I did a duty swap, he was the one that got the paper work started. Also in order to do a duty swap, if that’s what you really want, you’d have to find someone who is willing to swap with you, it’s been my experience that they won’t look for one for you.

]]> By: Harry http://chaintools.com/blog/dealing-with-a-weak-chain-of-command-navy/comment-page-1/#comment-474 Harry Mon, 24 Aug 2009 09:16:57 +0000 http://chaintools.com/blog/dealing-with-a-weak-chain-of-command-navy/#comment-474 The Navy might be different, but I was in the Army. When I tried to change duty stations my company officers and NCO's gave me the run around for months. I had to talk to my battalion commander before I could get anything accomplished. After that, it was just a matter of filling out the right forms, and off I went. The Navy might be different, but I was in the Army. When I tried to change duty stations my company officers and NCO’s gave me the run around for months. I had to talk to my battalion commander before I could get anything accomplished. After that, it was just a matter of filling out the right forms, and off I went.

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